Ski Jump Nails (pics)

[femmefan]

I'm having problems with a client who has ski jump nails. She likes a bit of length and prefers nno. I have tried various different methods and products without success - they tend to lift down the sidewalls a bit but mostly they 'pop' off the nail in the centre and then get 'pulled' off because they're weakened.

I took advice and this latest attempt is the result. If anyone else could add tips or advice then please feel free.

1. Shortened and prepped nails

2. Applied clear velocity tips (deep 'c' curve) with contact area reduced using gelbond.

3. Shortened to appropriate length and applied clear l&p overlay so that we can keep an eye on what's happening underneath the apex.

4. I built the apex up to try to take account of the ski jump effect but some of these don't look quite right to me!

5. The thumb apex looks better - what do you think? Will this be enough to stop it 'popping' up?

6. No comment really, I just thought this was quite a nice piccie :lol:

Please let me know if there's anything you think could be tweeked!

Cheers,
Hazel

 

[ValencianNails]

Ski jump nails are a sod to keep looking nice to be honest...

I have one client in particular who has the same nails as those in your pics, what we find is that as her nails grow they literally force the overlay off the nails, it's like they're working against each other for want of a better phrase!
I always reduce her nails to as short as possible and then sculpt them, if she lasts 2-3 rebalances then we're lucky!

I can't see that there's anything that needs tweeking from your pics :hug:

As long as your client realises that it won't be plain sailing with her type of nails then all will be fine.
In my limited experience of ski jump nails she'll need to look after them more than a client who doesn't have that nail type and make sure she keeps her rebalance appts.

 

[*sarah*]

I have a friend who has ski jump nails and had no idea why they lifted and came off so quickly ! I thought I was doing a bad job ! thankyou for posting this thread I'm no longer in the dark lol xx

 

[femmefan]

Ski jump nails are a sod to keep looking nice to be honest... yeah, tell me about it :lol:

I have one client in particular who has the same nails as those in your pics, what we find is that as her nails grow they literally force the overlay off the nails, it's like they're working against each other for want of a better phrase! That's defo what is happening here
I always reduce her nails to as short as possible and then sculpt them, if she lasts 2-3 rebalances then we're lucky! I tried sculpting first as this is my preferred method anyway, but they only lasting a week past the next infill! (about 3 weeks)

I can't see that there's anything that needs tweeking from your pics :hug:

As long as your client realises that it won't be plain sailing with her type of nails then all will be fine. I have explained and she's fine about it but absolutely desperate for more length. I said if this doesn't work we would need to try strengthening her own nails instead and growing the length naturally.
In my limited experience of ski jump nails she'll need to look after them more than a client who doesn't have that nail type and make sure she keeps her rebalance appts.

Cheers,
Hazel

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

I have never come across ski jump nails like these so sorry if this has been said before I have no idea, but are Popits any good for ski Jump nails ??

 

[femmefan]

I have a friend who has ski jump nails and had no idea why they lifted and came off so quickly ! I thought I was doing a bad job ! thankyou for posting this thread I'm no longer in the dark lol xx

It's horrible! This is the first time I've actually considered giving up and telling a client she can't have enhancements anymore - give me a severe nail-biter anyday!

 

[femmefan]

I have never come across ski jump nails like these so sorry if this has been said before I have no idea, but are Popits any good for ski Jump nails ??

I tried popits as I thought it would be a good idea - perfect apex and good strong bond. However, the shape of her nail was wrong as most of them are flared as well as ski jump so it was a nightmare getting them to fit. Also, the sidewalls are very deep. I got a lot of seepage at the sides where the dip of the ski jump is which was very difficult to file away because of the deep sidewalls.

btw, any news on the playday?

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

ahhh right Fab thankyou xx I now know if I come across nails like these...

RE: playday... are you going to Leeds on the 23rd ?
We could do it soon after that and practice skills we pick up !!!

 

[knopka]

First, try to shorten them more - all of the white free edge should be missing.

Imagine that this nails are not ski jump at all. Cover the hollow zone with acrylic or gel to make it like the regular natural nail.

Than, fit the form straight. Make sure that the form goes strictly parallel to the invisible line in the center of the finger (!), not the nail, as it goes up.

Apply the material as always. As you see, the thickest area is not in the stress zone, as it has to be. That's why, a very ski jump nails can't be done with the length that is more than 2/3 the length of the natural nail bed.

Good luck!


p.s. sorry for my paintings - i tried my best in painting with mouse pad ))

 

[MISS P]

i agree.firstly i build up the nail bed with L&P then add the tip.

 

[femmefan]

Thanks Anastasia those drawings are great. I'll try taking the length down some more (if I can get a file in there :lol and the idea of leveling them up first sounds fab.

Do you think this method would work but using tips instead. I tried forms before and had problems as the sidewalls are very deep with the edge of the nailplate digging into the skin so it's very difficult to get the form to sit right. I have to say that 99% of the time I sculpt - this is the first time in about 4 months I've had to use tips :irked:

Cheers,
Hazel

 

[Bev Rose]

I have had a client with this problem, but thankfully not all of her nails, only her little finger nail and ring finger nail on both hands.
I found that as her sidewalls were very deep and her hands were also what I would call moist, I had a real problem - added to the fact she's a hairdresser and hands are in water :irked:

I made sure that I applied L&P very carefully at the sidewall area, having really prepped down the sidewalls. Still it lifted.
I ended up asking her to not oil her nails as often as once a day and do it every other day - and it made a great difference. That could also be that she had moist hands and therefore more oily nail plates than normal? I dehydrated them and did the scrubfresh sandwich and all sorts!

What great pics from Anastasia, I wondered whether the apex should actually be at the 1/2 way point of the nail as opposed to the Z1&2 line - this would pull it back up into Z3 more?

 

[NoLimitNails]

I have a client with tose nails aswell just a lot smaller, and I'm frustrated.

They lift towards the cuticle and sidewalls, none of my other clients do this.
I actually thought that keeping them very thin at the cuticle area would help, but this made them worse.

So tried thinking and does anyone know whether gel is better than L&P? Just an idea, can't explain why, but something about not having to pres so hard?

 

[Bev Rose]

I have a client with tose nails aswell just a lot smaller, and I'm frustrated.

They lift towards the cuticle and sidewalls, none of my other clients do this.
I actually thought that keeping them very thin at the cuticle area would help, but this made them worse.

So tried thinking and does anyone know whether gel is better than L&P? Just an idea, can't explain why, but something about not having to pres so hard?

I wondered that too, as gel is a little more flexible so may be more likely to work with the natural pull of the nail growth, as opposed to L&P which is more rigid and has no flexibility?

 

[femmefan]

I tried using gel when we were trying for a natural nail overlay and this was the result after 2 weeks (please ignore the remains of pink nail polish she used to try and cover the damage :lol

Not a pretty sight eh

This was when I decided to give up with the nno idea

 

[nailspirit]

I wondered that too, as gel is a little more flexible so may be more likely to work with the natural pull of the nail growth, as opposed to L&P which is more rigid and has no flexibility?

That was my thought as well.
I would try to make the "base" with a soft soak off gel as it is flexible. (I use Young Nails ManiQ in situations like that.) It is really flexible and really no lifting. I would pay attention to really cap the free edge well with it. Then when im done with the base i just continue with buff off gel (Like Anastasia aka Knopka drawings).
I find that this kind of base works really well also with clients who are somehow prone to lifting, nailbiters for example.
Hope it helps:hug:

 

[NSINAILS]

After consulting my education manual, here are some tips:

File the natural nail as close to the upturned edge as possible. When applying the tip, do not place it flat on the nail. You are trying to counteract the growth of the upturned nail, not exaggerate it. If you apply the tip in a downward motion, there will be a gap you need to fill in with acrylic or gel. You'll want to build Zone 2 with a slightly thick upper arch to give more support to the seam between the tip and the free edge.

Hope this was helpful.

 

[NoLimitNails]

I have now tried gel on my client (a buff-off gel) I applied tips after reducing the lenght of her nails (thanks for that tip, don't wanna attempt a nno here) and building apex according to the instructions in this thread, and by now there are little to no lifting (more than a week after).
Usually she has very much lifting by now, and when it comes to her appointment after 14 days, ome are so lifted that they only hang on in zone 1... (she has had her nails done in the last two or three years by others, and the last one - two months by me, and says that this is the best they have ever looked after that amount of time)