Skin experts - u/lip Pigmentation, microdermabrasion/cover up???

[Miss Sylk]

Ive had a mustache of pigmentation for months now, its hideous and ive never experienced anything like it before. Ive waxed my lip for years as it does get hairy. Its strange, if you saw me youd think i need a good wax, but if you feel, its as smooth as a babys bum!

I stopped my pill and a month or two later it appearred.
I asked my doc and he said " its probs that, the hormonal change"
So i bought a cheapy cream that contains 'sunscreen, AHA, Escalol 507, Allantoin, and Vit E'
Im pretty sure its nothing to do with having the baby as it came on over a year after.
I use sunbeds no more than i used too, and now i use a factor 50 over my tash and actually my whole face these days.

Months later, it hasnt reduced with the cream. So ive started my pill again. Ive only been back on it a week, so hopefully it will go soon but i dont know if thats actually true?

I sometimes get microdermabrasion by skinbase, the girl who sold the salon the unit said "it could get better, it could get worse"??? I dont in any way want to risk it getting worse, so we avoided the area.
Just read on the net last night, its recommended to do it on areas of pigmentation with no risk of darkening, anyone know about this?

Has anyone ever dealt with or had dark hormonal pigmentation?
Any cream suggestions??
Any cover up products?? I use supercover corrector wheel, but thats not covering it fully.

Good job i hve a man, id never pull with this mustache!:lol:

 

[Martin Duffy]

I use the CACI Ultra machine, which gets good results for non-pathological pigmentation. It uses a combination of ultrasound (for it's fibrolytic effect), laser & micro-current, but you'd need to be looking at a course of 10 to 15 treatments of 30 minute sessions, having them once to twice a week. The great thing about high-frequency ultrasonic peeling is that it's non-abrasive & the frequency can be modulated to have different effects; in particular the micro-vibrations cause friction at the dermal level, increasing cellular metabolism & renewal.

There are also various products are the market that can help. Decleor have a skin brightening range, which you might like to look into, but again you are looking at commitment to the products over a reasonable length of time to experience results. Hope this is of some help!

 

[essentia]

Hi It sounds like a combination of hormonal changes and waxing with no sunblock protection sensitising and irritating the skin. It is true that MDB can help and also hinder the condition. Too many MDB treatments can be detrimental to the skin producing hyperpigmentation. I would buy a good sunscreen - you actually need no more than 20spf (50 spf does not give you double the protection) the optimum as recommended by dermatologists.

I am a bit biased here but Nimue does a hyperpigmentation range that is excellent for this but there are other products out there that will help gently reverse the pigmentation you have been suffering with.

 

[Bagpuss]

I have this on my forehead....to be honest mine has only got worse this last few weeks...i think cos the suns been out and caught me it has made it more obvious.

I read from searching the net that some bleaching creams can help (don't take my word for this though and speak to your doctor before trying anything) but that the most successful treatment is a facial peel.....and thats mega expensive.

 

[acheekymunky]

Type in Melasma on Wikipedia. It could be that.

x

 

[Bagpuss]

that what i think i have...looks like this... AOL Search

 

[Miss Sylk]

doesnt look like mine, mines like a blokes 5 oclock shadow.

I would pay for skin peels etc, but i only want it in the pigmentation area, that'll be cheaper anyway.

ESSENTIA - "Too many MDB treatments can be detrimental to the skin producing hyperpigmentation" - i havent had it on my tash area yet, so that didnt cause it, but if i have about 4-6 treatments just on the affected area, fortnightly or weekly, do you think that will reduce with no risk of getting worse?

Anyone know if coverderm will cover it well?

 

[essentia]

Hi - No please re-read my post, I was responding to what the lady from Skinbase told you in your post regarding MDB. I think it may be worth getting a consultation and having a course of treatment but I do know of cases where it has been overused and has caused damage. I personally use glycolic acids but there is nothing wrong with using MDB in the right hands. Just to add to the sunscreen bit - buy a good brand and reapply regularly and a sufficient amount, it is worth it rather than a cheap product.

 

[smiler13334]

that what i think i have...looks like this... AOL Search

Mine is the same, tried loads of lotions, creams etc. Now trying the dermalogica lightening kit.... Mine came about after taking the pill and in the sun. Its a pain, and costs a fortune with camoflage make up.

How can you tell what different pigmentation marks are??

 

[essentia]

Hi Different types of pigmentation can vary from freckles, age spots, vitiligo, melasma and other types caused by disease such as lupus and lichen planus. Darker skinned people are more likely to get hyperpigmentation as the melanosomes are much larger for their colouring. Melasma is usually characterised as a mask across the nose cheeks and associated with pregnancy and hormonal disturbance. Photomelanosis is UV induced pigmentation. Pigmentation may also occur after trauma - acne, dermatitis, deep peels and excessive MDB for the skin type. It is not always dark as scarring from burns and infection can leave the pigment reduced and paler in colour.

 

[Lucy-Jayne]

In my salon, we use Crystal Clear Microdermabrasion, and with a few people that I have treated with hormonal pigmentation, particularly on the upper lip, it has only improved it.

 

[e-beauty]

[FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Table: Ingredients used to treat Hyperpigmentation[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Ingredient or plant extract:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]What it does:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]
Sophora angustifolia root [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Anti-inflammatory;
inhibits Tyrosinase [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]

Actinidia chinensis (kiwi) fruit[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]
Inhibits Tyrosinase[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]
Nasturtium officinale[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]
Rumex crispus (Yellow Dock)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]
Phyllanthus emblica fruit[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]
Morus alba root (Mulberry) [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase;
anti-inflammatory[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Ascorbic acid; or Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate; or Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase;
acts as a reducing agent on intermediates[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]
Lactic acid[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Suppresses formation of Tyrosinase enzyme[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Glycyrrhiza glabra (Licorice)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Anti-inflammatory;
Inhibits Tyrosinase[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Arctostaphylos uva ursi (Bearberry)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase;[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Aspergillus ferment (fungus) [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase (binds copper)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Oryza sativa (rice) [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase (binds copper)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Citrus grandis (Grapefruit) [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Mitracarpus scaber [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase; reducing agent[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Kojic acid[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Inhibits Tyrosinase (binds copper)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]A word to the wise
My first consideration in selecting which type of product I would use on my client has to be first for their safety, then for the effectiveness of the product. Regardless of which brightening agents one selects for treating hyperpigmentation the key thing to remember is that you must consistently use the product every morning and night for at least eight weeks before you will detect an improvement. Even if you could shut down all new melanin biosynthesis in the skin, remember it still takes about forty-five days for the existing melanin to naturally sloughed off. At the same time you are treating existing pigmentation you must use a minimum SPF 15 on the skin whenever outdoors. Too often, someone is religious about application of his or her pigment lightener/brightener products but then they forget to apply a sunscreen and within 24 hours the hyperpigmentation spots reappear.
Remember also, the depth of the pigmentation will dictate the degree of effectiveness when treating hyperpigmentation. Dermal pigmentation is obviously more difficult to treat than epidermal pigment. For obvious reasons, hormonally induced pigmentation and deeper post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation are often more difficult to treat than sun induced pigmentation. And remember, you and your client should have realistic expectations as to the degree of lightening that you will achieve. It is highly unlikely that you will make a spot disappear but you can reduce its intensity and help to even-out the overall pigmentation of the skin. Not all hyperpigmentation spots will respond favorably--if 75% of your clients get significant lightening to hyperpigmentation that is considered a very good result.
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[FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]if you want to read the whole document i have on Hyperpigmentation pm me and i will e-mail it to you.
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[Miss Sylk]

woo..that took me days to read!hehe.

Wish i knew for defo what pigmentation type i have....
If im right the hyperpigmentation caused by hormonal change is going to be in the dermal layer, deeper than sundamage pigmentation, which would be in epidermis??

Wouldnt i be fighting something that is going to keep producing from the inside? surely that means that anything i do is pointless, apart from camoflauge and waiting....

MDB is epidermal anyway, so that wouldnt help deep pigmentation, would it??
Im desperate to get craking with reducing it, had it for months now :-(

Im buying the skin doctors new cream for pigmentation, but i was going to combine it with a treatment such as MDB or chemical peel or even lazer...

Was chatting to a family Gp who was even unsure.....

 

[essentia]

Hi I would go to someone in your area that has a skin scanner, which should tell you how deep the pigmentation is. Deeper pigmentation will take longer to treat but at least you can get an idea. I personally would follow a routine formuated for hyperpigmentation by one of the professional skin houses. They will include creams to inhibit the pigment but regular use of sun protection is a must. Glycolic peels are also useful. I would follow this before any other treatments to start with.

 

[jenny mosley]

Hiya,

It does sound like this is a result in the birth of your baby.

If it is hormonal pigment change, it can be very difficult to get rid of, I would ask your GP to ref you to a skin specialist who will analize its depth and advise you on the best solution.

IPL and laser can get rid of pigmentation, If it's hormonal that's the cause it's not recommended..as they can darken and get alot worse.

There is a product on the market sold by Lifestyle Aesthics 0870383 5283
it is only available from a medical advisor, you would need to ring them to find the nearest supplier ort ask for advise from a area rep.

please seek advise before you ddo anything

good luck

jenny x