So upset: cease and desist settlement demand!

[mum]

Interesting thread! I mostly work in the media and it's a minefield!!!

I agree with those that are, in some way, defending Getty Images. It's their business! They don't have time to research every breach to see if it's a multinational that has funds to pay up or a little mobile nail technician just starting out. They just send out a standard letter to all.

Pictures are safer if you've taken them yourself but there are even problems with that, especially if there is someones face in it or other identifying mark. Their permission should be sought.

As a very general rule, using pictures that are just examples of your work (e.g. my agent has an online portfolio of my work that isn't used for promotion) may be OK. But if the images are connected with sales or commercial promotion, like salon or mobile websites, then it is viewed differently.

Minefield! :Scared:

 

[rachelt73]

If in doubt, contact the manufacturer for the products you use and ask them if there are any images they will let you display on your website.

I only use Gelish and Nail Harmony UK have been fab and have supplied me with a whole raft of images they have confirmed I can use on my website as long as the Gelish logo remains intact :lol:

 

[NiCshairstudio]

With the 'doing your own version of' is this not then your creation? Just taking inspiration of another pic? That's what all artists do, take inspiration and do their own interpretation of it?? I doodle (call them doodles) and they are very similar to most if you google doodle art, but I did them off my own back. So technically people could try saying I copied, when I didn't! I suppose maybe, but when I have felt like drawing, I have googled to get some inspiration lol. Never sold any though, I'd bin them, my bf won't let me and he keeps them lol.

Taking pics and representing as your own, yes this is def copyright! On my site I have loads of pics, but I put them under need inspiration? Sections, and my work in another section.

 

[Verve Designs]

! On my site I have loads of pics, but I put them under need inspiration? Sections, and my work in another section.

Not sure what you mean by that?...again, did you pay for them?

It's nothing to do with passing work off as your own. I see some people struggling with that concept (including the OP a bit I'm afraid). If you mean random pics with celebs hairstyles in- then no, you're not strictly allowed to do that.

The premise is that people are using images to make their sites look better, which would increase business- and that's what's not allowed.

If you've not paid for it- It's not your picture to use

Do I need permission to post celebrity pictures online for my salon's new website? | Entrepreneur.com

 

[NiCshairstudio]

Not sure what you mean by that?...again, did you pay for them?

It's nothing to do with passing work off as your own. I see some people struggling with that concept (including the OP a bit I'm afraid). If you mean random pics with celebs hairstyles in- then no, you're not strictly allowed to do that.

The premise is that people are using images to make their sites look better, which would increase business- and that's what's not allowed.

If you've not paid for it- It's not your picture to use

Do I need permission to post celebrity pictures online for my salon's new website? | Entrepreneur.com

I may have to remove that page then, its only one page, that's basically for people on my site looking for inspiration for a style, just like the would use google but all in one place so easier to find, but this was before I had my own pics to show really for ideas, but I have hundreds of my own now. I don't use them to make my work or site look better...

This is mine:
Www.nikkicshairstudio.weebly.com/gallery - should I remove the inspiration page? I didn't realise we couldn't do that if I'm not allowed too I know I can't try passing anything off as my own and wouldn't want to, to be honest lol

 

[Tomme]

Can I just say I wasn't 'trying to make money' from using the image. I had a bit of space in the bottom corner of a page and thought the image looked nice =) no one hires a make up artist for their wedding because of their excellent use of a champagne glass picture =p I would never claim someone else's image as my own I just thought it was a generic image! I realised putting up pictures of other peoples nail art etc would be stealing but I thought a champagne glass would be pretty safe! I should have been more careful clearly =(

You may say you wasn't "making money from it" but that image is on your site and made the page look more inviting, that is making money from the page.
I know it may sound like a strange thing, but in effect you make money from wallpaper or paint in a salon, it makes the look inviting. Xoxo

 

[Verve Designs]

I may have to remove that page then, its only one page, that's basically for people on my site looking for inspiration for a style, just like the would use google but all in one place so easier to find, but this was before I had my own pics to show really for ideas, but I have hundreds of my own now. I don't use them to make my work or site look better...


This is mine:
Www.nikkicshairstudio.weebly.com/gallery - should I remove the inspiration page? I didn't realise we couldn't do that if I'm not allowed too I know I can't try passing anything off as my own and wouldn't want to, to be honest lol

It's your call. I can see LOTS AND LOTS of stock images on that site that would ring alarm bells If I'm honest.

As a professional in this industry- I'd advise you to take them off. You've even left some of the original watermarks on some of them!

Would anything ever come of it if you didn't? Maybe not, but I know I wouldn't fancy a bill. Seeing as you've got LOADS of pictures. If they were Getty images (and some of them look like they are) you'd potentially have a bill for thousands of pounds from that one page alone.

p.s I don't mean to be rude- but you ARE making your site look better having them on there, they're giving your clients, or potential clients a "benefit" by using those pictures. Therefore, if your clients get a benefit, you make money. That's the copyright argument. Doesn't matter if you're Apple, or little companies like us. A business/commercial website is designed to make someone money.

 

[NiCshairstudio]

It's your call. I can see LOTS AND LOTS of stock images on that site that would ring alarm bells If I'm honest.

As a professional in this industry- I'd advise you to take them off. You've even left some of the original watermarks on some of them!

Would anything every come of it if you didn't? Maybe not, but I know I wouldn't fancy a bill. Seeing as you've got LOADS of pictures. If they were Getty images (and some of them look like they are) you'd potentially have a bill for thousands of pounds from that one page alone.

p.s I don't mean to be rude- but you ARE making your site look better having them on there, they're giving your clients, or potential clients a "benefit" by using those pictures. Therefore, if your clients get a benefit, you make money. That's the copyright argument. Doesn't matter if you're Apple, or little companies like us. A business/commercial website is designed to make someone money.

Ahhh I thought by leaving them as I found them that's me not trying to pass anything off as my own but stating that in fact they are not lol but I do get your last comment

I didn't realise you couldn't as so many sites do the same thing oops, I'll be removing that page then my thinks x

It does seem a grey area in some cases though and more education needs to made around it I think x

Thank you x

 

[mum]

Extensionize, you're giving a lot of your expertise here and not everyone seems to be taking it on board!

As has been said before, ignorance is no defence! Who is going to do this education and who will pay for it?? There are those that have done this and specialise! Like Extensionize

People buying L&P or gel polishes from the High Street and then get wrecked nails could say the same! No one told me I could damage my nails! Education is needed here. Yes, they are called professional nail courses that people pay a lot of money for.

 

[NiCshairstudio]

Extensionize, you're giving a lot of your expertise here and not everyone seems to be taking it on board!

As has been said before, ignorance is no defence! Who is going to do this education and who will pay for it?? There are those that have done this and specialise! Like Extensionize

People buying L&P or gel polishes from the High Street and then get wrecked nails could say the same! No one told me I could damage my nails! Education is needed here. Yes, they are called professional nail courses that people pay a lot of money for.

Someone said in a post above, it should be in both business courses and college I think, even if briefly touched on! I've been on millions of courses, business, higher training and obv my original training and no one ever advises of this, so how are people to realise that by simply placing a pic on your site you are actually breaching copyright rules

Like I say I totally didn't realise myself and no where have I questioned simply explained why I thought what I did, like by not putting as mine, etc, didn't realise that the simple use

Does this work for links then? As you are advised always to use videos, tutorials and the likes to help raise the view and seo for your sites etc, what about people who blog and put a link to where the found their info? Oh god I've gone off on a tangent...

Thank you for your help extensionize

Sorry OP I hijacked, but kept on same topic xx

 

[Tomme]

Someone said in a post above, it should be in both business courses and college I think, even if briefly touched on! I've been on millions of courses, business, higher training and obv my original training and no one ever advises of this, so how are people to realise that by simply placing a pic on your site you are actually breaching copyright rules

Like I say I totally didn't realise myself and no where have I questioned simply explained why I thought what I did, like by not putting as mine, etc, didn't realise that the simple use

Does this work for links then? As you are advised always to use videos, tutorials and the likes to help raise the view and seo for your sites etc, what about people who blog and put a link to where the found their info? Oh god I've gone off on a tangent...

Thank you for your help extensionize

Sorry OP I hijacked, but kept on same topic xx

It's in college courses. When I had to do theory to explain how x y and z was done, I was told to use images, and if copyrighted to get permission, as well as make a note of where it was from. Granted I didn't get permission, but I did give the creator credit on the last page with the name of website against the corresponding image number.
Its not really your hair or beauty tutors responsibility to educate you on business practice and how to or not create your website, they educate us to do what we do in our business or someone else's, nothing more. Xoxo

 

[NiCshairstudio]

It's in college courses. When I had to do theory to explain how x y and z was done, I was told to use images, and if copyrighted to get permission, as well as make a note of where it was from. Granted I didn't get permission, but I did give the creator credit on the last page with the name of website against the corresponding image number.
Its not really your hair or beauty tutors responsibility to educate you on business practice and how to or not create your website, they educate us to do what we do in our business or someone else's, nothing more. Xoxo

The giving credit all started after id trained lol business courses thougg. .. They should

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[LilMissEmmylou]

due to my degree subject I already have a good knowledge of copyright but I have to say, they DID cover it in both my beauty course and in my IT class they have made me take saying as I didn't have a GCSE in IT.

I imagine they do touch on it on most courses - but as to if people pay attention or not is another matter :lol:

 

[hazelb]

The thing to remember is that this issue hasn't been around for that long.
When i trained there was no such thing as the internet. I had to learn as I went along and became part of the 'click and paste' generation.

..unfortunately that's not acceptable now.

The copywrite laws were written during the paper generation. So it would be 'obvious to most' that you would need to get a license before you could sent out 1000 flyers with an image on it.

The internet hasn't developed like that.

Have you ever seen a pic you like on the internet, and reposted in a blog/ web page etc? Even a forum like this one?..well you will be technically infringing copywrite. crediting where it came from isn't the same.

But don't panic..it is only Getty and corbis who seem to be actively persuing like this. Most 'owners' will send you a message asking you politely to take the pic down or buy a license.

Celeb pic? oh yes they will be Getty

This issue is well know in the business forums and has been running for about 5 years. The FSB ended up with 3 or 4 threads all over 100 pages long.

So check your pics...it's a horrible experience to go through!

 

[Lynne Baker]

It's not just new hair/nail/beauty techniques that we need refresher training for; it's no bad thing to enrol on the odd business training course now and again.

 

[dannii_j]

Hi,

You are discussing pictures that are currently on websites from what I can gather? I currently have a few pics (probably 4 max), that have been copied from Google images and put on to my facebook pusiness page. Do you know if the same rules apply to this too?

For example, I have one picture of Kim Kardashian that shows her without extensions, and then with extensions next? Also another picture of a colour wheel, you can't see the comany name on it?

Will they be looking on facebook biz pages the same as on websites? There are thousands of 'fan' websites that are set up, would they have got permission to use the images of their favouite celebrities before putting them on Facebook?

I am also worried now....

 

[Lynne Baker]

You should be!
You CANNOT just copy images from the web, from websites, from Google images, fansites, etc unless you've paid for them.
This would be like someone coming into your salon and stealing your stock out of the window; they can see it, therefore they must be able to just take it, no?
Er no!

 

[persianista]

I've just been looking at I stock photos, as I'm looking to get Carl Verve to design my new book cover. For a pretty normal image, with all the right licences it comes to a couple of hundred quid. I would expect a lawsuit to cost far more though.

Most of the companies I deal with as a website owner have images that you can freely use of their products, just ask, and beware theiving photos from others.

 

[Verve Designs]

Hi,

You are discussing pictures that are currently on websites from what I can gather? I currently have a few pics (probably 4 max), that have been copied from Google images and put on to my facebook pusiness page. Do you know if the same rules apply to this too?

For example, I have one picture of Kim Kardashian that shows her without extensions, and then with extensions next? Also another picture of a colour wheel, you can't see the comany name on it?

Will they be looking on facebook biz pages the same as on websites? There are thousands of 'fan' websites that are set up, would they have got permission to use the images of their favouite celebrities before putting them on Facebook?

I am also worried now....

You should be worried frankly. Yes, the rules absolutely apply to this. Take them down immediately.

The difference between news blogs and fan sites is that they're not looking to make money.

You're a business (regardless of size) and you'd be treated as such by the copyright holders.

I know, I'm a broken record- and forgive me on this- but I'm struggling to see why people can't grasp that you can't just use someone elses work!

There are NO if's and buts. If you've not paid for it. Don't use it. It's not yours.

 

[nicole333]

I've removed all of mine from Facebook and have updated the opening post of the pics/quotes for Facebook thread and also posted the warning in there today as well.

Thank you so much to the OP for starting this thread and I hope the financial side of things does not impact too much on your business.

Also a massive thanks to everyone who has advised in this thread. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't afford to give someone that sort of money for the sake of a picture off the web! I feel like I have had a lucky escape.