Tammy Taylor odorless acrylic trouble!

[ashleynails08]

Hey guys!
I'm having trouble with my TT odorless acrylic system. I've called the company so many times and I do everything they tell me but the nails are still gummy and they bubble right off the nail bed. They bubble up right in the middle of the nail. You can just peel them off. Someone please help me I'm having a lot of trouble! Thanks!

-ashleynails08

 

[ValencianNails]

It sounds like pocket lifting if they're "bubbling in the middle of the nail", it could be that you're working too wet and need to look at your ratio.

How long after application are you getting the problems?

 

[ashleynails08]

The bubbling in the acrylic often happens about a week after I do them. The bubbles are soft and the nails can peel right off. I have even tried using less acrylic and the company told me to apply the acrylic while the primer is still wet. I did everything and I'm still having trouble. I might look into a different odorless acrylic because in the spa I work in thats all I can use. Any suggestions on that?

 

[vsouthard]

Are you applying the acrylic over a complete nail or making a new nail? Sometimes when applying as an overlay the nail will get a air pocket, I was told by my distributor that you need to trim the nail back and that will prevent the air pocket. I really hope this helps

 

[ashleynails08]

The bubbling (pocketing) often happens about a week after i do them. If i put on a full set it's fine but it's when I start to do fills that it happens. The bubbles are soft and they can peel right off. I have even tried to use less liquid and apply the acrylic while the primer is still wet just like the company told me to and it still happens. I'd like to look into a different odorless acrylic because I work in a spa and thats all I can use. Any suggestions on a different kind?

 

[silvanne]

Nailite has a odorless acrylic system. You can buy that at

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[geeg]

Odourless systems can be rather rubbery and gummy if your mix ratio is not absolutely correct.

One way (don't think I am crazy - it does work and is safer for you the technician) to avoid the rubbery feeling as well as stopping the 'roll off' layer on the top after curing (which can be very prone to causing allergy) is to immerse the fingers after application of one hand, in warm (not hot) water for 3 minutes. Finish the other hand and repeat. No roll off layer so less chance of becoming allergic to the product and a harder more durable enhancement.

 

[adelekeegan1]

Odourless systems can be rather rubbery and gummy if your mix ratio is not absolutely correct.

One way (don't think I am crazy - it does work and is safer for you the technician) to avoid the rubbery feeling as well as stopping the 'roll off' layer on the top after curing (which can be very prone to causing allergy) is to immerse the fingers after application of one hand, in warm (not hot) water for 3 minutes. Finish the other hand and repeat. No roll off layer so less chance of becoming allergic to the product and a harder more durable enhancement.

Now, however did you establish THAT

 

[geeg]

Now, however did you establish THAT

Because like gel and polish .. Oxygen inhibits the cure of the top layer and this top layer is highly reactive. Odour free systems are one of the most likely systems to cause allergy. If you can cut the oxygen off the surface (i.e. putting the fingertips in warm water) there will be no reactive layer and the surface will be hard and ready to file.

I learned this years ago when I used a CND odourless product called 'Turbo'.
CND were the first company ever to bring out an odour free L&P system and I used it for years in my salons. CND being always conscious of safety taught that this method was safer for the nail technicians regarding allergy.

As often happens, CND were way ahead of the market which just wasn't ready at that time for learning about mix ratios or trying anything new other than good old L&P plus primer!! So the system was dropped partly due to sales and mostly due to the reactivity and safety element.

Remember it was in 1993 that the first primer less product was introduced by CND. Other companies are only introducing it now after 15 YEARS!!
CND users have been working without primer for 15 years!!

 

[suzynsoph]

So, and please excuse my ignorance here - but you immerse in warm water after application - do you still need to use a UV lamp and if so at which point?

 

[geeg]

So, and please excuse my ignorance here - but you immerse in warm water after application - do you still need to use a UV lamp and if so at which point?

I have never used a UV Lamp with an odour free L&P. I am not talking about a gel that is cured with a UV Lamp.

 

[Anna from Toronto]

Star Nail used to have a product called I believe "Ultimate Lyte" and it was UV cured L&P. I used to use it like... 12 years ago.
Maybe the TT product is simular to that?

If so... if this is truly UV cured L&P maybe you need to change the bulbs in your lamp...?

 

[nailzoo]

Off topic, but I remember an acrylic that was "water set" many moons ago.
Gawd i've seen so many products come and go.:cry:

 

[geeg]

Off topic, but I remember an acrylic that was "water set" many moons ago.
Gawd i've seen so many products come and go.:cry:

Me too. :cry:

Still it is useful to know that setting an odourless L&P (that is not UV cured) in warm water, reduces the reactivity of the product and eliminates the rubbery rolloff layer that is responsible for so many allergies.

The old tricks still work when necessary and if you know your chemistry youc an solve any problem at all!! :hug:

 

[RedAdmiral]

The old tricks still work when necessary and if you know your chemistry youc an solve any problem at all!! :hug:

This is very true.
1) working on wet primer not good
2) ratio wrong too many monomers not enough polymers
3) odourless not curing fully

These may lead to service breakdown so its down to you to do a process of elimination. I have never really had much dealings with odourless systems but if you are in a SPA I recommend gel and not just any gel, BRISA gel. This is the BEST system I have ever worked with and it is so strong l&p strong. Your clients will be very happy.

 

[Eni]

This thread is just too coincidental. A friend came round yesterday for a set for a wedding today and I used the rest of what I had of the TT odourless I had and once I was done applying, had her put her hands in warm water to get it to "cure up". She asked me WTH I was doing and I explained to her exactly what you just said.

It worked (of course). The more I get back INTO it, the more of these things keep bubbling up from the nether regions of my cranium.



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[geeg]

This thread is just too coincidental. A friend came round yesterday for a set for a wedding today and I used the rest of what I had of the TT odourless I had and once I was done applying, had her put her hands in warm water to get it to "cure up". She asked me WTH I was doing and I explained to her exactly what you just said.

It worked (of course). The more I get back INTO it, the more of these things keep bubbling up from the nether regions of my cranium.



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Glad it was a useful tip for you.

For the protection of every nail tech that uses a system like this it is by far the best/safest way to work with an OF liquid and powder ... remember not hot water ... just warm.

 

[Eni]

True that. The water I used was not as "hot" as I would use for a natural nail manicure soak, but it was quite warm. When I was done too (another good point) is I had her wash her hands thoroughly in cool water afterwards.