Not qualified to do manicure, so what can I do?

[TweezerHappy]

Interestingly they are a course to teach how to use CND products when doing a manicure or pedicure. They are not a complete manicure course.

I am confused. Easily done, lol. From reading the description of Fingernails Naturally on the S2 site that reads like it's a manicure course. Toe nails naturally reads like it's a pedicure course.

I thought Spatacular went over how to use the CND products.

I will ask next time I'm in the Fingertips Centre as I didn't like my college Nail Care course and want to retrain the CND way.

 

[mizzy_dizzy]

As I have done them all lol I found that
The naturally are beginners mani and pedi using the earth and the almond ranges . And concentrates more on the half safety/contra indications ect

The other one is a SPA class teaching you how to use marine and citrus ranges , as well as being more in depth on the luxury side of it.

It is also worth knowing that I did 2 of these classes as a 1 2 1 as no one else applied and the other one there was 2 students .... In tiny classes like this you will learn a heck of a lot more

 

[Lynne Baker]

Interestingly they are a course to teach how to use CND products when doing a manicure or pedicure. They are not a complete manicure course.

Yet this is what it says on the website, Geeg:


The "Nails Naturally" Manicure course is dedicated to teaching more about the natural nail, hand, lower forearm anatomy & physiology, concluding with lower arm and hand massage as well as enamel application. This class goes into greater depth for complete understanding of the manicuring process and makes this class an ideal starter class for those wishing to travel the 'Natural Nail Route'.

Yes, it says "starter class" but it also says "greater depth" and "complete understanding of the manicuring process". They do appear a tad contradictory, don't they?

Perhaps the argument needs to be taken to the insurance companies to stop accepting such day long courses as adequate education, no?

 

[mizzy_dizzy]

I forgot to add, it might only be a one day class but the way that I have taken CND training is that it is ON GOING , I didnt stop at the begining mani or pedi class i went back and did the spa mani and pedi and I will still go back and do more ... maybe spa masters (If I can ever figuer it out what it is lol )
So even though it is at your own pace its not a day class not really......
If anyone thinks that any of there classes are ment to be a one day be all and end all then you have the wrong end of the stick

 

[Karen Minx]

Interestingly they are a course to teach how to use CND products when doing a manicure or pedicure. They are not a complete manicure course.

I did the CreativeSpa day after i completed the 5 day foundation. Why do CND except you onto these courses if you have never done manicure before? I really wish i had choosen the Brisa Gels day and gone elsewhere for the manicure & pedicure.

The Spa day was a 1 day course. It taught contra indication, massage technique & procedure and CreativeSpa products. I was told we didn't need to do any manicure that day, has alot about the nail was learnt in the foundation.
I wasn't a working tech at the time and i was juggling my learning around another job so i didn't take anything from this course and i just concentrated practicing my nail enhancements at the time. Over a year on, i have set up fully in a salon has a self employed nail tech and im am totaly confident with the enhancement side of things but i don't offer luxury manicures or pedicures because i didn't practice anything i learned from that day so i am not confident to offer a Spa manicure or pedicure now. I do however offer a dry (waterless) mini mani & pedi which consists of cuticle work, file, shape & polish, shellac or soon minx nails on both hands and feet.

I have even been searching to find a manicure & pedicure course in my area recently so i am able to say to my clients, 'yes, i can give you a luxury mani today' instead of them quizing me why i can't. Unfortunatly for me, Salisbury College are not offering any part time beauty courses this year so if i want to learn mani & pedi, i will have to do the full year part time in Nail services NVQ2 (which i don't need the enhancement side of it) or full time Beauty L2 for a year. :irked:

After some thought and research i have decided to buy the Spa Manicure & Pedicure course and assement pack from Essential Nails so i can learn at my own pace, cover the case studies and question papers, and build my confidence. Because to get a course which is more than just 1 day, and covers everything, it just doesn't exist unless you go to a college!

 

[Lilypip]

Hi,

I would really advise against doing this before training. With elderly people there are often many contra indications and you must be aware of diabetes, strokes and certain medications when taking in to account treatments and massage. You could potentially put yourself in a very difficult and compromising position, not to mention voiding your insurance.

I know I am echoing a lot of advice already given here but get qualified and insured for it first and then the work will roll in once you've started doing treatments there.

I did a short course but it was backed up by ALOT of time spent before and after with my aunt (a trained professional) and her co-worker going through all of the finest points of manicure, massage, contra-indications, hygiene etc that simply did not get covered on the course. You don't want to leave yourself open to getting sued if something does go wrong.

Good luck!

Lilypip.x

 

[waxcetera]

blimey, just come back on, there are some differing opinions there.

I've spoken to the Beauty Guild, who I'm taking my insurance out with tomorrow.

They've advised the following:

If, I wanted to do just a polish, that would be ok. I can do the prep I would normally do when doing l&p or Gel, as I'm qualified to do the prep part, but not to do anything else.

The mani course is next on my list, where I took my acrylic and gel courses. Again the qualification would be an Independent Beauty Specialist Diploma. However, I can't do that yet, as I had to borrow the money to do my last 2 courses.

I think you're right though about contra-indications etc and the elderly. I'll wait until I've completed the mani course. (won't be doing pedicures).

I've every intention of further training with either CND or NSI later this year and would do the same, get further mani training with them.

As for the being scared stiff........ I'm a born worrier, its not so much as I'm out of my depth, its more a case of the unknown. Once I've done a couple of sets, I think I'll be ok.

thanks for everyones opinions x

 

[shedunlop]

So basically if you do a CND Nails Naturally course, what qualifications do you need to do it and are you insured to do manicures when you have completed the day. The answers to these questions should answer whether or not it is a manicure course. :lol:

 

[geeg]

So basically if you do a CND Nails Naturally course, what qualifications do you need to do it and are you insured to do manicures when you have completed the day. The answers to these questions should answer whether or not it is a manicure course. :lol:

No you don't and yes you are. All the info and underpinning knowledge anyone could want is there on the course and in writing and in depth, but in an ideal world I would love a two week course for practice.

It is possible that One can even do remote manicure courses with Beauty Schools that exist on paper and never have a teacher even see your work or assess what you do and still get insured!! We all know that.

I think the info on the CND courses is outstanding and very thorough .. it is the practice that I would ideally like to see more of.

There are videos of the whole process of basic and luxury manicures from CND --- just as a demo would show in a class. Anyone could learn from these videos how to do the process ... the underpinning knowledge is cerebral and one just has to learn it from the written word.

The Process of Performing a manicure is not very difficult now is it? But the underpinning knowledge is important especially if working with the elderly.

 

[shedunlop]

No you don't and yes you are. All the info and underpinning knowledge anyone could want is there on the course and in writing and in depth, but in an ideal world I would love a two week course for practice.

It is possible that One can even do remote manicure courses with Beauty Schools that exist on paper and never have a teacher even see your work or assess what you do and still get insured!! We all know that.

I think the info on the CND courses is outstanding and very thorough .. it is the practice that I would ideally like to see more of.

There are videos of the whole process of basic and luxury manicures from CND --- just as a demo would show in a class. Anyone could learn from these videos how to do the process ... the underpinning knowledge is cerebral and one just has to learn it from the written word.

The Process of Performing a manicure is not very difficult now is it? But the underpinning knowledge is important especially if working with the elderly.

I totally agree with you Gigi. I also feel that a lot of courses do not go into the detail that should be the foundation stone of manicure and pedicure. I don't see how anyone can take all of the information in, understand it and put it to good practice all in one day.

We live in a 'have to have it now' world so I suppose we might just have to get used to it! :green:

 

[DinkyPinky]

Oh Geeg, how true, I would loveeeeeeeee a two week manicure course. I have done alot of the CND courses which are great but like you say to be able to practise for 2 weeks with a trainer on hand would be a dream come true! I have improved loads since my training through reading books and practising, watching DVD's/You Tube and practising, asking my CND trainer questions/having 1:1's and practising e.t.c. e.t.c but you really can't beat hands on guided practise. Couldn't Sweet Squared offer something along these lines???

 

[Lorrainelola]

Why are diabetics always treated as invalids?
On my facials course I couldn't receive a facial, on the massaging course, I couldn't receive a massage, on the waxing course I couldn't be waxed.

Not all diabetics have loss of feeling in their skin, admittedly we can bruise easily and it takes longer for us to heal from even just a scratch but I feel discriminated against. If I am happy to sign a declaration then why can't the therapist do the treatment.

I had a tattoo, I have waxing done. I can understand the comment about elderly people with diabetes but again not all elderly diabetics have loss of feeling in their skin.file://\\not

 

[smooth]

These one day courses probably don't guarantee your competence as you don't have the knowledge of manicures in the first place I assume? Such courses will give you a grounding but not the amount of experience that you will need. See if there is a longer course for you to attend if you can fit that into your time/schedule/funding.

good luck
x

 

[smooth]

Why are diabetics always treated as invalids?
On my facials course I couldn't receive a facial, on the massaging course, I couldn't receive a massage, on the waxing course I couldn't be waxed.

Not all diabetics have loss of feeling in their skin, admittedly we can bruise easily and it takes longer for us to heal from even just a scratch but I feel discriminated against. If I am happy to sign a declaration then why can't the therapist do the treatment.

I had a tattoo, I have waxing done. I can understand the comment about elderly people with diabetes but again not all elderly diabetics have loss of feeling in their skin.

Because there are things you cannot disclaim against. If a therapist does harm, no matter how small the risk appears, to a diabetic then what could occur with regard to their accountability? If you had medical training you could definitely assess the risk on an individual basis and if a problem occurred you could manage it effectively. It is easier to say don't treat than, if someone has **mmol/l then it is ok.

 

[julesgems]

Hi

South Notts college do a vtct level 2 nail services course which covers full manicure and pedicure procedures, inlcuding a level 3 health and safety assessment.

It us about 10 weeks long, 5 hours per day, one day per week. You do numerous assessments which you have to pass and also home study. The cost is minimal - about £100.00. That should give you enough confidence to perform treatments.

I believe the course is run at Bingham and West Bridgeford.:hug:

 

[waxcetera]

Hi

South Notts college do a vtct level 2 nail services course which covers full manicure and pedicure procedures, inlcuding a level 3 health and safety assessment.

It us about 10 weeks long, 5 hours per day, one day per week. You do numerous assessments which you have to pass and also home study. The cost is minimal - about £100.00. That should give you enough confidence to perform treatments.

I believe the course is run at Bingham and West Bridgeford.:hug:

ooh thats brill, thanks for that The West Bridgford one, is there a SN college in West Bridgford?

 

[BABSann]

Well now I'm stumped.

I've never seen a manicure course that is longer then a day. I was planning on doing one at some point soon, so recommendations welcome.

Mat

OPI do a 4 day course in mani/pedi,HTH

 

[loreli1981]

OPI do a 4 day course in mani/pedi,HTH

Do you know if there is an opi training centre in north east england? All i can seem to find is down south or scotland.

My college here in harrogate arent doing their normal mani/pedi course, only the beauty therapy level 2, and i dont want to do beauty theapy as well. The nearest one would be Leeds possibly but i dont drive, or know leeds very weel to be trying to find my way about in the dark winter months!

 

[julesgems]

ooh thats brill, thanks for that The West Bridgford one, is there a SN college in West Bridgford?

Yes, main one in West Bridgeford and also the Studio (which is part of SN college) at Bingham.

I went to bingham - tutor was Maxine - she's great!:hug:

 

[BABSann]

Do you know if there is an opi training centre in north east england? All i can seem to find is down south or scotland.

My college here in harrogate arent doing their normal mani/pedi course, only the beauty therapy level 2, and i dont want to do beauty theapy as well. The nearest one would be Leeds possibly but i dont drive, or know leeds very weel to be trying to find my way about in the dark winter months!

Hi these are the places I have listed northeast, Newcastle upon Tyne,Northumberland.Have a look at www.trade.lenawhite.co.uk

hth x