Smiles not so smiley!

[emma/tenerife]

im havin a litlle trouble gettin the corners of my smile lines nice and crisp.someone recommended i try the reverse aplication and although the corners come out lovely the rest of the smile wasnt so great,i think i prefer the traditional method of zones 1,2 and 3.So does anyone have any good tips for crisp corners?

 

[talented talons]

Get the main part of your smile done first, then get a very small bead of your colour you are using for your free edge, make sure it is small and quite dry too, or it won't blend into the rest of your free edge and give you a marbling effect.

Apply the bead to the corner of your smile and use your brush to get a nice crisp point and blend it into the rest of your smile.

I hope this is clear enough for you, it is hard to explain.

 

[Noodle]

Have you read GMG's fab tutorial on smiles?

http://www.salongeek.com/nail-application/2734-million-dollar-smiles.html

 

[geeg]

I never add the corners to the smile .. I do it all with the one bead. Adding in the corners makes the nail look 'hippy' and wide and is what makes it necessary for people to pinch the nail to then make it look sleeker again! Very time consuming in my opinion. To work most efficiently on your clients ... The trick is brush control.

You will never get a crisp looking corner if you use your brush in the same way as you do to press out the rest of the smile. Different angles produce different results.

Place you white bead. Press out to the right (or left whichever you prefer) and As you get to the corners, raise the handle of your brush so that you are only using the very point of the brush to nudge the corners into place ... then come across and do the other corner ... last of all, press or brush the remaining product down over the rest of the tip to cover.

The result is that your product will be nice and thin in the corners and at the sides (the way it should be) which will reduce the amount of time it takes to finish the nail off. No applying of lots of beads, no fat nails that have to be pinched to look good and very little finishing. Quick and efficient and you win all the way round and so does your client.

It is important to get your smile line sorted first while the product is wetter and more easy to work, then do the rest. Good technique with your brush is EVERYTHING.

 

[doiamailbox]

Check out this video by Lynn lammers, she's current Nailpro cup leader.
YouTube - Long Sculptured Acrylic Nails

 

[the nail studio]

oh my god, i wish i could do that, i can't sculpt yet, she makes it look so easy!

 

[tracey louise]

thanks for the link.there was some great close ups.i love watching video tutorials i could sit and watch people do nails all day.

 

[hiba]

Check out this video by Lynn lammers, she's current Nailpro cup leader.
YouTube - Long Sculptured Acrylic Nails

thanx for sharing that video its really helps....xxx

 

[geeg]

I have to say, that the person in the video works completely differently with her brush than I do with mine.

I would never keep touching the wet hairs of the brush on the skin and nail plate as it shows in this video. I also do not use the belly of my brush to pat or press the bead continually or indeed ever. The technique shown on this video also seems to take twice as long a I do --- allot of patting and pressing and 'messing' around with the bead.

We all work differently and there is no ONE WAY to do things, but when I see habits that scream overexposure hazard to me I would not recommend that others adopt or use them.

 

[Deena]

Can't you just produce a dvd of your own for everyone, geeg, and put a lot of people out of their misery? :lol:

 

[deanosnana]

Can't you just produce a dvd of your own for everyone, geeg, and put a lot of people out of their misery? :lol:

Me, included! I have a heck of a time 'smiling'...

 

[bonjovirock4eva]

Can't you just produce a dvd of your own for everyone, geeg, and put a lot of people out of their misery? :lol:

here here! think thats a great idea! x:lol:

 

[fairiegirl]

oh geeg you should really do a dvd it would be great to see you in action. I agree it is a great idea !!!!:lol:

 

[Lynnberry]

Hi All,
So I was looking at some statistics associated with my Youtube video and ran across a post here that had a video I did that was the result of a challenge from a different board.....and all I can say is WOW! Geeg sure is an opinionated lady.

 

[karentriff]

Try watching this:
YouTube - Smile Lines


Its what I used to perfect my smiles. I just watched it over and over and over and practiced over and over and over

 

[Lynnberry]

With all do respect to the nail tech in the CND video, this is a perfect example of an over exposure issue. She instructs viewers to leave the liquid in the brush "because you will need it later" and proceeds to flood the lateral sidewalls of the nail with liquid which is clearly visible on the video. In defense of myself, I release excess liquid from the brush before I even place the bead down, and continue to dry it every time I reshape it back into a point. Now this is, of course, my own opinion just as the lady above expressed her opinion of my (dry) brush touching the skin and nail plate being an over exposure issue. Because until someone comes up with facts proving what the limit is on over exposure, it is all just an opinion.
Creative and CND are now and have always promoted the use of excess liquid because that is how their product works. Back in the 80's and the early 90's they actually promoted the idea of dipping your brush back in the liquid and adding it to the nail, until people started getting sick and they had to rethink their approach.
In my opinion, no one should have to use a product so wet that liquid runs all over the finger. But, of course, that is just my opinion.

 

[JakkiD]

This CND video on smile lines is brilliant.....I've watched many others but this is my favourite.

 

[geeg]

With all do respect to the nail tech in the CND video, this is a perfect example of an over exposure issue. She instructs viewers to leave the liquid in the brush "because you will need it later" and proceeds to flood the lateral sidewalls of the nail with liquid which is clearly visible on the video. In defense of myself, I release excess liquid from the brush before I even place the bead down, and continue to dry it every time I reshape it back into a point. Now this is, of course, my own opinion just as the lady above expressed her opinion of my (dry) brush touching the skin and nail plate being an over exposure issue. Because until someone comes up with facts proving what the limit is on over exposure, it is all just an opinion.
Creative and CND are now and have always promoted the use of excess liquid because that is how their product works. Back in the 80's and the early 90's they actually promoted the idea of dipping your brush back in the liquid and adding it to the nail, until people started getting sick and they had to rethink their approach.
In my opinion, no one should have to use a product so wet that liquid runs all over the finger. But, of course, that is just my opinion.

The difference in the quality of work between the technicians in these two videos is so screamingly apparent that it doesn't even deserve a comment.

As for CND mix ratio. Hm ... I have been a trainer for CND for more than 20 years (during the 80's and the 90's which you claim to know so much about) and I can tell you that absolutely NEVER have CND taught to dip back into the liquid monomer at any time after making a bead of L&P.

As for the brush being moist, The reason it is more efficient to not wipe the brush is that liquid evaporates while working and if you remove it all on a towel then your brush becomes dry and splits. She doesn't say leave it sopping wet but just enough to keep it and the bead from drying out as you are working.
What you say is completely inaccurate - CND have never promoted the use of excess monomer! In fact Creative invented the words mix ratio where L&P are concerned and have consistently for 30 years advocated and taught students the impotance of acheiving the perfect Mix with CND/Creative L&P's.

Since the advent of Turbo (the FIRST odour free l&P system - EARLY 90'S) and Radical (the first PRIMER FREE l&p SYSTEM IN 1993) CND have always advocated a Medium Wet Mix ratio for their liquid & powder systems and NEVER should excess liquid run out of the bead onto the skin. To use CND in the way you describe would cause many difficulties for the technician and what you say is more inaccurate information.

As far as over exposure the facts are there it is a genuine hazard but as to limits?? how can a limit be set when the over exposure level is different for different people? It is a silly argument you put forward.

The whole point of protecting both ourselves and our clients from over exposure is not to promote it EVER by the misuse of the monomer as is so clearly visible when using the brush (which was not dry) in the way it is used in the first video.

As for what you claim to see in the CND video ... maybe you are looking at a different video to me as I certainly see no sign of anything but immaculate brush technique from Tiffany AND Roxanne Valonoti in the custom blend video, where they clearly and visibly work very cleanly around the skin with the brush, get the nail sculpted perfectly in half the time of the first video with no swiping of the smile line and very little messing about with all that patting etc. Perfect, efficient, immaculate and natural looking work from two of the world's best. They have set the perfect example to everyone of how to work in these videos.

Yes I have my opinions and where applicable I state them but I also know my facts. I had no axe to grind with you ... stated that my methods were different, faster and more efficient which they are. But I also said there are many different ways to do things.

Where safety is concerned I do not hide behind spurious arguments.

 

[Lynnberry]

Geeg says, "The difference in the quality of work between the technicians in these two videos is so screamingly apparent that it doesn't even deserve a comment."
Thank you.

Geeg says,"As for CND mix ratio. Hm . I have been a trainer for CND for more than 20 years (during the 80's and the 90's which you claim to know so much about) and I can tell you that absolutely NEVER have CND taught to dip back into the liquid monomer at any time after making a bead of L&P."
I have been doing nails since the 80's and I live about an hour from the main headquarters of Creative. When I was in manicuring school, we would often have educators from different companies come to the school and demonstrate the product. We were taught by a Creative "educator" that the "beauty of the SolarNail line is that as long as you keep it wet, you can still move the acrylic" I find it highly unlikely that you Geeg, know everything that is taught everywhere.

Geeg says, "As for the brush being moist, The reason it is more efficient to not wipe the brush is that liquid evaporates while working and if you remove it all on a towel the on your brush becomes dry and splits. She doesn't say leave it sopping wet but just enough to keep it and the bead from drying out as you are working."
I will refer you to the CND video where the tech states "Place the bead...and don't wipe your brush, you'll need the liquid to keep the bead creamy and pliable for up to a three minute working time." As you can see in my video, I take all the liquid out of my brush and the bead is just as nice and creamy, and I have plenty of time to work the product.

Geeg says:"What you say is completely inaccurate - CND have never promoted the use of excess monomer! In fact Creative invented the words mix ratio where L&P are concerned and have consistently for 30 years advocated and taught students how to acheive the perfect Mix with CND/Creative L&P's."
Again, I will refer you the CND video.

Geeg says:"Since the advent of Turbo (the FIRST odour free l&P system - EARLY 90'S) and Radical (the first PRIMER FREE l&p SYSTEM IN 1993) CND have always advocated a Medium Wet Mix ratio for their liquid & powder systems and NEVER should excess liquid run out of the bead onto the skin. To use CND in the way you describe would cause many difficulties for the technician and what you say is more inaccurate information."
Never should excess liquid run out of the bead and onto the skin. In the CND video, you can clearly see that when the tech moves her brush toward the camera side lateral fold, she is releasing liquid and the light is shining on it like a spotlight! You can actually watch it travel up toward the cuticle. Are you trying to say that you don't see that in the CND video? Or are you just trying to ignore it?

Geeg says:"As far as over exposure the facts are there it is a genuine hazard but as to limits?? how can a limit be set when the over exposure level is different for different people? It is a silly argument you put forward."
That is just an opinion. Show me the facts. Here is a fact:You started this argument.
Geeg says:"The whole point of protecting both ourselves and our clients from over exposure is not to promote it EVER by the misuse of the monomer as is so clearly visible when using the brush (which was not dry) in the way it is used in the first video."
No, the whole point of protecting ourselves and our clients from over exposure is so that none of us get sick! The rest is, again, just your opinion (which does not make it true) and do you have any evidence to prove that my brush wasn't dry?

Geeg says:"As for what you claim to see in the CND video ... maybe you are looking at a different video to me as I certainly see no sign of anything but immaculate brush technique from Tiffany AND Roxanne Valonoti in the custom blend video, where they clearly and visibly work very cleanly around the skin with the brush, get the nail sculpted perfectly in half the time of the first video with no swiping of the smile line and very little messing about with all that patting etc. Perfect, efficient, immaculate and natural looking work from two of the world's best. They have set the perfect example to everyone of how to work in these videos."
More opinions. But maybe you don't understand the reasoning behind my video? I made this video to show that a very long nail could be sculpted using a #8 brush with only one ball of pink and one ball of white. It certainly was not a speed contest and who cares if I happen to pat the product or swipe a smile line? I don't happen to like fuzzy smile lines. I like them crisp, see?
And what, may I ask, leads you to believe that these two ladies are the world's best? And your statement that they set a perfect example of how to work....no. Sorry, just more opinion.

Geeg says:"Yes I have my opinions and where applicable I state them but I also know my facts." I have seen no facts.
"I had no axe to grind with you ..." Oh yes, you do indeed have an axe to grind with me! Let's not kid ourselves, you have surely attacked me publicly!
"stated that my methods were different, faster and more efficient which they are." Let's see the video, Geeg, or lets get in the competition arena and you can prove your erroneous statements.
"But I also said there are many different ways to do things." Some better that others.

"Where safety is concerned I do not hide behind spurious arguments".. ""

 

[geeg]

THIS POSTER just makes herself look more and more desperate. Keep going.

I have made my points.

The day one can work with the precision and skill of Roxanne and Tiffany will be only a goal one can achieve when one takes it to the next level. We all can see it. Rather than thanking me, I'd slink off in embarrassment as it was quite clear what I meant. What a monumental ego there must be working here.

By the way ... yes I do know everything about official CND teaching and I'm sure they would be interested to hear your potted history of the most successful nail enhancement company in the world.

I never attacked this poster publicly until she spouted utter crappola about CND to make some point or other which escapes me and probably most everyone else.

As for a contest ... I'm sorry, I DON'T DO FAKE .. I do real ... I don't want to do thick fake-looking ... I do real natural looking which is what my clients pay me for. If my clients wanted to look like cheap porn stars they would go to other nail technicians in the cheap sector to get those done; fortunately they have more dignity.

Too bad the monumental ego of the poster had to resurrect this thread, which was dead and buried long ago.

If you want to keep the personal argument up then I suggest you have a little dignity yourself and do it through the private message facility rather than on this public forum.