beautynails
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I'm sure once you've been here a while you'll realise that's not true. This site is all about sharing information.
Which product ?- where are the experts please
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I absolutely agree Fiona, and I am sure this is what Adele was getting at when she started this thread.
I actually don't want to be seen as the brand XYZ Educator and only answering questions on that brand.
Yes their are a couple of brands that I have a lot of knowledge about and will help when I can but I don't want to be limited to them!!!
This site is a community and we can all help each other with technical questions and give invaluable tips on how to do things which are not brand related.
I think Dqueenznailz2 will be pleasantly surprised by this site by how generous we all are with our help and advice.
(Unless of course you are a student asking assignment questions :twisted
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RedAdmiral
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Wow what a read! How did I miss this thread?
It may have to do with being very busy which is also true of some of the educctors some just dont have the time but I wont excuse them too much as the big names dont post much all - ever!
I've been a member of this site for years and years back to Samuelsweet.com days and its always been this way - the acusation of being a CND site, the lack of presence from other companies, geeks helping geeks. I often thought that the other companies didnt take this site seriously but when I started exhibiting I learnt this was not true - EVERYONE lurks around why do they lurk and not post? who knows?
Years ago I posted about bad cust serv I received from NSI - they were straight on the phone and the girl who had cheesed me off was made to apologise to me. How did they know as I have never seen any names I'm familiar with on here............?
I have been proud to say that I trained with XYZ and hope I can share my experiences good, bad or ugly with fellow geeks. When I trained in Poland my distributor was the biggest in the country and had nearly every product in his grasp - I nearly pee'd my pants when he told me I could come over and train with Tom Holcombe!!! just like that! Its done so different over there and it taught me that having knowledge of all products helps YOU find whats good for you. No one company can suit everyone all the time. I use both Young and CND and I'll never stop teaching with Young even if I make Grand Master.
As for Gina - she has a point you dont want to sound like your selling your products off the back of a thread but dont worry as there are loads of geeks who will do that for you! Educators, dist and reps can come on here in a non-sales based way and give lots of information.
This site is invaluable and I hope that my comments and info has helped people or at least shown that you can ask me anything, anytime and I will try and help
How did I miss this thread?It may have to do with being very busy which is also true of some of the educctors some just dont have the time but I wont excuse them too much as the big names dont post much all - ever!
I've been a member of this site for years and years back to Samuelsweet.com days and its always been this way - the acusation of being a CND site, the lack of presence from other companies, geeks helping geeks. I often thought that the other companies didnt take this site seriously but when I started exhibiting I learnt this was not true - EVERYONE lurks around why do they lurk and not post? who knows?
Years ago I posted about bad cust serv I received from NSI - they were straight on the phone and the girl who had cheesed me off was made to apologise to me. How did they know as I have never seen any names I'm familiar with on here............?
I have been proud to say that I trained with XYZ and hope I can share my experiences good, bad or ugly with fellow geeks. When I trained in Poland my distributor was the biggest in the country and had nearly every product in his grasp - I nearly pee'd my pants when he told me I could come over and train with Tom Holcombe!!! just like that! Its done so different over there and it taught me that having knowledge of all products helps YOU find whats good for you. No one company can suit everyone all the time. I use both Young and CND and I'll never stop teaching with Young even if I make Grand Master.
As for Gina - she has a point you dont want to sound like your selling your products off the back of a thread but dont worry as there are loads of geeks who will do that for you! Educators, dist and reps can come on here in a non-sales based way and give lots of information.
This site is invaluable and I hope that my comments and info has helped people or at least shown that you can ask me anything, anytime and I will try and help
angel fingers
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i take ginas point too. it is sometimes tricky to get your point accross without sounding like you are pushing for sales.
although i educate for lechat i do not sell their or any other brands products.
so when i recomend products i do so because i think they are great products and never for financial gain.
in fact i educate for lechat because i think they are great products and i want to share that with others so that they will find them great too.
although i educate for lechat i do not sell their or any other brands products.
so when i recomend products i do so because i think they are great products and never for financial gain.
in fact i educate for lechat because i think they are great products and i want to share that with others so that they will find them great too.
Terese
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From what I can see,
Competitors will always like to take a peek at whats going on and use it as
an opportunity to plug their wares,(dont we all have a peek at others websites and if we like what we read adapt it to suit our needs?)
I see like minded professionals gathering here to gain information on old/new products and methods here and of course to socialise.
After all, we mostly all are in buisness and buisnesses need to make money and what better way to do it than through here.
As for me....im a beauty therapist with a nursing background, I dont endorse any other company-apart from my own.I am not an educator, donot have any 3rd party interests but have wanted to find out genuine things out of my own neccesity and curiosity and of course to advance my own knowledge of the industry.
Phew that was heavy.......
Competitors will always like to take a peek at whats going on and use it as
an opportunity to plug their wares,(dont we all have a peek at others websites and if we like what we read adapt it to suit our needs?)
I see like minded professionals gathering here to gain information on old/new products and methods here and of course to socialise.
After all, we mostly all are in buisness and buisnesses need to make money and what better way to do it than through here.
As for me....im a beauty therapist with a nursing background, I dont endorse any other company-apart from my own.I am not an educator, donot have any 3rd party interests but have wanted to find out genuine things out of my own neccesity and curiosity and of course to advance my own knowledge of the industry.
Phew that was heavy.......
Nco London Gina
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What I mean is that I love to help out in a non biased way and I certainly have in the past, but obviously I am biased aren't I - so how do you post without sounding biased when it's obvious you are
I say this because 'other' brands are being critised for not answering more posts.
The bottom line is that we 'other' brands know and respect that this site is made by a person who distributes the CND brand, so it's very difficult.
I know the site is not just about where can I buy such and such and I know you didn't mean that was only what I was talking about. I also know it was not aimed at me but I meant that I try and answer things on other topics (especially gel because that is what I specialise in)
So, basically we would love to help out more, but we are trying not to break the 'rules' because of who we are!!
Gina xxxxx
I say this because 'other' brands are being critised for not answering more posts.
The bottom line is that we 'other' brands know and respect that this site is made by a person who distributes the CND brand, so it's very difficult.
I know the site is not just about where can I buy such and such and I know you didn't mean that was only what I was talking about. I also know it was not aimed at me
but I meant that I try and answer things on other topics (especially gel because that is what I specialise in) So, basically we would love to help out more, but we are trying not to break the 'rules' because of who we are!!
Gina xxxxx
If "your" brand is asked about then you can post away......if its about techniques...post away....if its problem solving, support, advise, ideas etc....post away....all these these things can be done without selling....its only classed as advertising if its typed in a advert like manner and if "your" brand was not asked about....
I would hate for anyone to not post for fear of being told they are advertising all the time...if you are genuine and just trying to help then go for it....if your not sure, run it by a mod first....
I would hate for anyone to not post for fear of being told they are advertising all the time...if you are genuine and just trying to help then go for it....if your not sure, run it by a mod first....
sparklybits
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I AM INVISIBLE....I love being invisible!!!
Mainly I started being invisible, when distribution problems for CND were at their height, as I couldn't cope with the Pm's every time people could see I was logged on!!
I have mainly stayed invisible now though, as sometimes I am only on site for minutes at a time and sometimes I am at my work :o: and not supposed to be here!!!...woops!
I know you don't mean me though Geeg....as I certainly can't be accused of not posting....3.460 posts and counting!!!
Hey honey
you are anything but invisible.....lol
I am also not on the site as much as I would like to be due to the salon and the twins when i get home. So when i get the chance I pop on and answer what I can as I don have the time to read through threads.
As one of my new year resolutions god help me I will try to get on the site more often than I do and try to give advice on more post.:hug:
beautynails
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I think everybody is biased toward their own brand, that doesn't just apply to educators, distributers etc. As long as your not starting threads trying to sell things and I think it's pretty obvious you wouldn't do that. :hug:What I mean is that I love to help out in a non biased way and I certainly have in the past, but obviously I am biased aren't I - so how do you post without sounding biased when it's obvious you are
I say this because 'other' brands are being critised for not answering more posts.
The bottom line is that we 'other' brands know and respect that this site is made by a person who distributes the CND brand, so it's very difficult.
I know the site is not just about where can I buy such and such and I know you didn't mean that was only what I was talking about. I also know it was not aimed at me
So, basically we would love to help out more, but we are trying not to break the 'rules' because of who we are!!
Gina xxxxx
Nco London Gina
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OK, here's one
I saw a post somewhere about the nail graphix glitters. I know that Fiona sells those. She answered the post and had to tell the person to do a search on nail graphix glitters.
Because she is the supplier, she could give the person the most accurate answer they were looking for, but also because she is the supplier, she has asked the person to do a search so that it doesn't look like she is 'selling'
This is my point and therefore, you could get better answers to questions if we could be truly non biased.
If you want brand specific, you should really be asking the supplier direct I guess, not trying to find out an answer that could be wrong on here. Especially if it is a technical question.
This site is a minefield of information for everyone, I think it's great, but I don't think 'other' brands should be criticised for the reasons I mentioned.
Gina xxxxxxx
I saw a post somewhere about the nail graphix glitters. I know that Fiona sells those. She answered the post and had to tell the person to do a search on nail graphix glitters.
Because she is the supplier, she could give the person the most accurate answer they were looking for, but also because she is the supplier, she has asked the person to do a search so that it doesn't look like she is 'selling'
This is my point and therefore, you could get better answers to questions if we could be truly non biased.
If you want brand specific, you should really be asking the supplier direct I guess, not trying to find out an answer that could be wrong on here. Especially if it is a technical question.
This site is a minefield of information for everyone, I think it's great, but I don't think 'other' brands should be criticised for the reasons I mentioned.
Gina xxxxxxx
marioned
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I suppose (correct me if I'm wrong ) that Fiona could have given her contact details, like her website or phone number, in response to a question like this if it was "where can I buy Nail Graphix Glitters".
This would be no different from Mrs Geek (for example) giving the contact details for Sweet Squared if asked "where can I buy a CND mani kit".
I agree it must be a bit of a minefield for those involved/owning companies. But like Angie says, someone could always run it by a mod first. xx
) that Fiona could have given her contact details, like her website or phone number, in response to a question like this if it was "where can I buy Nail Graphix Glitters". This would be no different from Mrs Geek (for example) giving the contact details for Sweet Squared if asked "where can I buy a CND mani kit".
I agree it must be a bit of a minefield for those involved/owning companies. But like Angie says, someone could always run it by a mod first. xx
I suppose (correct me if I'm wrong
This would be no different from Mrs Geek (for example) giving the contact details for Sweet Squared if asked "where can I buy a CND mani kit".
I agree it must be a bit of a minefield for those involved/owning companies. But like Angie says, someone could always run it by a mod first. xx
spot on..!!!
its great to see that people are getting it....makes mods jobs alot easier
unfortunately some others do not get it and would see that if Fiona had replied it would be advertising...It wouldn't have been, as you very rightly said its no different to your example about CNDIf the thread/post is about what you sell....then your the best person to advise (in a non advert like way and with no prices)
The only ones who are obviously advertising in posts are those who know they are .... everyone else is just a geek :lol:
naturalnails
Legend
LOL - the point of this particular thread was that the person didnt actually know it was a Nail Graphix question LOL - it was asked as an NSI question and I tried as much as I could to steer her in the right direction to find the information without it looking like I was advertising LOL.
Nco London Gina
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Gawd I'm confused !!
Anyway, I will just carry on as I am and hope I am sticking to the rules
Gina xx
Anyway, I will just carry on as I am and hope I am sticking to the rules
Gina xx
VHunter
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I think for the most part, people here are very smart cookies.
I think there's a HUGE difference between posting a thread that screams "such-n-such is having a special on blah-blah, we have a huge range of la-dee-da, here's my link to go to my store" OR sending pm's to everyone on the site to visit your store.
Versus
"In answer to your question, you can find such and such at this link and if you need further assistance, it would be my pleasure to help"
And I'm pretty certain that a mod is not going to smack you upside the head for answering a question:lol:. There's a distinct difference between support and advertising. At least in my own opinion.
Especially when it's a question to which the answer will likely be provided sending geeks to your site by another geek. We all know (most of us) who does what, and support each other as best as we can.
We all offer links to this and that for our fellow geeks, helpfully steering them.
And I think the mods know who is who on here, and worst case scenario; they'll edit your post or PM you if you have made an error.
All of us at one time or another, have received a pm for a 'slip-up', whatever kind of slip-up it might have been.
It's not the end of the world, and I think usually, there's no hard feelings.
We just say "whoops, my bad, I'll do better next time".
Best case scenario; you've helped someone that needed it.
:hug:
PS: I "think" (please correct me if I'm wrong) the point of rules is to avoid having trolls advertising willy nilly all over the site, generating business for themselves and never contributing in the fashion that is the intent of this site. Using it solely for their own gain and never giving of themselves to help others.
I think there's a HUGE difference between posting a thread that screams "such-n-such is having a special on blah-blah, we have a huge range of la-dee-da, here's my link to go to my store" OR sending pm's to everyone on the site to visit your store.
Versus
"In answer to your question, you can find such and such at this link and if you need further assistance, it would be my pleasure to help"
And I'm pretty certain that a mod is not going to smack you upside the head for answering a question:lol:. There's a distinct difference between support and advertising. At least in my own opinion.
Especially when it's a question to which the answer will likely be provided sending geeks to your site by another geek. We all know (most of us) who does what, and support each other as best as we can.
We all offer links to this and that for our fellow geeks, helpfully steering them.
And I think the mods know who is who on here, and worst case scenario; they'll edit your post or PM you if you have made an error.
All of us at one time or another, have received a pm for a 'slip-up', whatever kind of slip-up it might have been.
It's not the end of the world, and I think usually, there's no hard feelings.
We just say "whoops, my bad, I'll do better next time".
Best case scenario; you've helped someone that needed it.
:hug:
PS: I "think" (please correct me if I'm wrong) the point of rules is to avoid having trolls advertising willy nilly all over the site, generating business for themselves and never contributing in the fashion that is the intent of this site. Using it solely for their own gain and never giving of themselves to help others.
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Terese
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lol GinaIm with you
Doorie
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i kinda come after the rain i guess...Doorie!!!
That was the French speaking, Switzerland living, OPI educator geek,I was thinking of!!!!
Very helpful and fabulous nails!!!
Also of late we have had good contibutions from Gina Silvestero and Viv Simmonds I am sure once they get used to the site they will have even more to offer.
I think things are looking GOOD!!!
I can't believe I didn't mention 1999Judy as a fab EzFlow geek!!!! :o:
To be honest though, there aren't that many CND Educators on here answering threads....really just Geeg and Fiona Wallace. Mostly it is the CND users and Grand masters that fly the flag.
I still stand by what I said regarding the overwhelming sea of CND threads on here putting other brand users and educators off.
Also I will say that although I have reached Educator level with CND and EzFlow I am still open to try and experiment with other brands....isn't that part of the excitment of being in this industry???
I think some people on here could do with being a bit more open and unblinkered!!!
This is a good thread and I hope it doesn't end up being negative one, as I certainly don't mean my contribution to be, although I am already worrying that it will be construed that I am, and I will get a PM to that effect!!
so well. i've read the beginning of the thread, quite quick i must confess :|
and i totally agree with the fact that this place needs, or would need, not like vital needs but, well... educators or ppl from all the brands, or at least the biggest ones... it's just so interesting to be able to share our views...
thank you for the comments about me, i'm quite blushing now...
but well. on the topic.
i'm horribly busy and the end of 2008 has been all about running here and there and teaching and learning... i don't think 2009 will be any better, but i have to manage my time, and i can gladly help with opi products, concerns (as far as i know...) and stuff... everything, except prices of course!!
coming here and "meeting" geeg made me want to try CND because of all the great comment and her like incredible knowledge of the industry... from the other communities i go to, i've then checked Entity, nfu, local brands... i think we have to do that, just to know... just to... i don''t know! maybe it's because i work with a distributor and need to check myself how our products are comparred to the others, or maybe it's because i wanted to know everything that i got the job? anyway.
i'm back home for a day LOL
