do you believe in mediums -psychics??

[Kim Lawless]

The thing is, it is not up to skeptics to prove anything. It is up to the people who believe in paranormal things to prove it, not the other way round.

Why? Let me turn this on it's head then. Show me one case of a skeptic PROVING the non existence of the paranormal. I'm not talking about exposing frauds and trickery here...........I'm talking about giving me a solid explanation of alleged paranormal activity where they could not prove fraud or trickery. What was their explanation? Oh yes...........it was a lorry 2 miles down the road.



I think you are 100% wrong about people changing their minds about the paranormal. The JREF forum have got several members who used to believe in such things.

I think you may have misunderstood me as I AM one of those people that used to be a 80% believer but am now a 20% believer. I'm intelligent enough to accept that there are other things greater than us out there. Besides, the JREF are an extreme group of non believers. I prefer to keep an open mind, both for and against.

As for the skeptics, they are only skeptics because they are willing to change their minds when they are presented with new evidence.

Well that makes any intelligent person a skeptic as surely we would all be willing to change our minds when presented with new evidence. That's exactly why I don't believe as much as I used to; because I was presented with evidence. I'll say it again...........Skeptics will never believe, regardless of what evidence they're presented with.​

As for movies about objects moving around the room look out for strings. I have seen such strings in such movies.

What...........even when the skeptic was present? That's a very narrow minded view.

How small a minority of psychics are real? If only one psychic were real the implications would be enormous. This person could have anything they wanted. However all the well known psychics, eg Uri Geller, eventually are shown to have used trickery to do what they do.

Edit. Forgot to include this http://http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=V1Y7QR314xA

Uri Geller is not the only so called psychic around. Anyway, I put uri Geller in the same bracket as James Randi..........he's a magician.

Out of interest, is there anything that would convince you? I'm genuinely interested as I find this subject facinating.

 

[weezie]

The good thing about blaming a lorry is that you can prove whether or not the lorry existed!

Skeptics are looking for the truth so it would be very easy to convince them of any true paranormal activity should it exist!

 

[rjh01]

Ok I confess, I teleport everywhere. Now prove me wrong. You want to be silly? I can be even more silly. QED.

 

[Kim Lawless]

The good thing about blaming a lorry is that you can prove whether or not the lorry existed!

Not so..........It's their favourite assumption. They never prove it was a lorry.

Skeptics are looking for the truth so it would be very easy to convince them of any true paranormal activity should it exist!

I beg to differ. My experience of Skeptics is they take themselves way too seriously and are quite negative, angry people. Do you know any skeptics that are like this?[/quote]


As I keep saying..........I keep an open mind. I'm in the middle as I've had several paranormal experiences so therefore I believe. Also, I've had hundreds of 'experiences' that I put down to non-paranormal activity so I'm no idiot.

For example, all yesterday evening, I kept hearing sounds coming from my kitchen (I hoped it was a spirit cleaning the cooker for me but no such luck). 10 years ago, I would have peed my pants and ran out the house screaming or called a priest believing it to be paranormal. Now, because I'm open minded and a rational, intelligent woman, I'll wait until I can prove to myself that it's not something like the wind..............or a lorry causing those noises.

You're really just proving my point that skeptics will never believe, no matter what 'evidence' they're given.

 

[Kim Lawless]

I can be even more silly. QED.

Yes, quite.

I'm tryng to have an adult debate about the paranormal and you're getting all arsey. Why you so angry?

 

[weezie]

My experience of Skeptics is they take themselves way too seriously and are quite negative, angry people.]quote]


You're really just proving my point that skeptics will never believe, no matter what 'evidence' they're given.

I take offense to this as I am a happy, positive, well balanced, generous, altruistic, loving and caring person.

I would belive in an instant if I saw proof. I just haven't seen proof therefore have to conclude it does not exist as I am also logical and sane.

I am not stopping anyone from believing what they want to believe as long as it is not damaging them or ripping them off.

I am very live and let live and can accept all kinds of beliefs religious and paranormal.

It's just I can't go on blind faith I myself need proof in order to believe. I am not just going to take someone elses word for it! I am happy for people to believe if they so wish as this is why we have free choice and wonderful brains. :hug:

 

[tinkywinky]

Please stop any bickering here as it's spoiling the debate!

I'm a strong believer but don't want to get into an argument, I think everyone's opinion is different and we are all entitled to that.

I consult psychics/clairvoyants around every 6 months, they as well as tarot readers have been good for me and I have seen them on and off since being 18.

You may think I am mad I'm sure lots of people will be arguing here, but this is something I have personally seen the truth come out of a lot of readings and it has also provided me with much needed guidance at times.

I am now after years of not looking at tarot cards, learning them again, and hopefully one day I can give back by helping people and provide good readings.

I also wish to develop my psychic intuition over time.

 

[rjh01]

Sorry if what I wrote upset anybody. It would be easy (far too easy) to convince me of the existence of somebody with paranormal ability. I get upset when people who do not know me suggest that I or people like me will never be convinced of something no matter what evidence is presented. Maybe they mean that I would never be convinced because there IS NO EVIDENCE.

Asking me what would that take is like asking what it would take to convince me that a certain person can play a musical instrument. I could ask them to play the piano but if they could only play the violin then the demonstration would fail. So the following list is almost a list of possible paranormal abilities. It is nowhere near complete.

People to tell me what my passwords are.
Miracles of any sort being broadcast on the mass media.
James Randi's $1m being won.
Someone habitually publishing the winning numbers (of any sort) and claiming paranormal powers.
Many police forces to start successfully using psychics.
Basically it has to be done several times on command.
Plus heaps more.


Strange that if such abilities existed even in one person that none of these statements happen.

Edit - I forgot to add one more - Casinos start banning psychics.

 

[rjh01]

Just thought I would provide this link. It is one person's attempt to find evidence that one well known (in USA) person who claims she is a psychic can provide any evidence of her abilities. stopsylviabrowne

Skeptics often look out for evidence that what they believe in is not correct. That is one reason I am on this site.


I have read the OP again. A certain Kelly Jolkowski knows about psychics and missing people. She says

There is not one proven case in which a psychic, using special powers or abilities not given to the typical person, has located a missing person, whether dead or alive. It may be possible that some persons have an ability that defies science and logic, but there is no known scientific evidence of this. These persons re-victimize families by taking away hope where it should stand, and giving hope where there is none. No person has the right to do this to another.

Link

If anyone can provide any decent evidence that any psychic has solved a crime I want to know about it. Please be specific. Links to independent sources would be great.


What would it take for believers to stop believing?



As for Uri Gellar being a magician he does not claim to be one. You can call him something else but not that.

Your Pass notes (November 6) imply I am a magician and conjuror - but that this cannot be stated outright because I am such a litigious fellow. I can say with absolute certainty I do not cheat. I am not a magician

I can bend metal

As for James Randi being a magician, that is undisputed.

 

[becki x]

Hi Vetty x This is who my hubby,two sil's and bil saw about a year ago,so far she has been extremely accurate,so much so it freaked me out,i just point blank refused to have it done even though she said after all the other readings she wanted to talk to me,i practically ran away,and i cried when they all told me what she had said to them individually.

I will happily go into more details of what she said if you want me to hun x

 

[sj1973]

well i do believe in them.....and can i just say rjho1.....these physics that can tell you what happened in peoples death...the reason police do not use them all the time is because they don't believe them....and the times they have used them....they have solved the crime.....we all have opinions and we are entitled to believe or not and that's what makes us individual .

 

[tinkywinky]

here here nuff said I'm offffffffffff.......................

 

[Kim Lawless]

At work so I'll answer fully later but just to say this:

I know for a FACT that the police in the UK do use psychics. They're not going to broadcast it are they.

 

[rjh01]

Cannot say much. But would love to see some evidence of what has been said here.

If police do use psychics then I cannot see why they would not advertise for them.

Please somebody educate me.

 

[weezie]

This is from a website set up by "mediums and psychics" they themselves deny police actively seeking psychics for invesigations and state the reasons!

Do the police use psychics?

A study in America into this use of "psychics" in the police force (see link) concluded that, altough police did call in "psychics" and also used them when they volunteered, in all instances the cases would still have been sloved without the assistance of the "psychic".

Police Use Of Psychics


Also if interest is the below but the police could all be liars I guess!
Do the police use psychics?

The main reason is that you can't have a "medium/psychic" standing up in court and saying "I saw it happen", they would be the prime suspect immediately.

 

[sj1973]

Cannot say much. But would love to see some evidence of what has been said here.

If police do use psychics then I cannot see why they would not advertise for them.

Please somebody educate me.

i bet you don't get sky in Aussie!! its a program on sky......living t.v....broadcast here in england on tues night at 10p.m......it shows how police have used physics to solve crimes....some of the victims families have used them ....told them where there son/daughter is buried near.....how they died and what the person looked like.....and then the victims family have told the police or if they get a lead with the investigation......they tell the families and they already know as the physics have told them.....this is my evidence as i have seen it on telly.

 

[weezie]

i bet you don't get sky in Aussie!! its a program on sky......living t.v....broadcast here in england on tues night at 10p.m......it shows how police have used physics to solve crimes....some of the victims families have used them ....told them where there son/daughter is buried near.....how they died and what the person looked like.....and then the victims family have told the police or if they get a lead with the investigation......they tell the families and they already know as the physics have told them.....this is my evidence as i have seen it on telly.

Must be real if it was on tv!


SPOOKY TRUTH: TV'S MOST HAUNTED CON EXPOSED TV - Mirror.co.uk-different program but still...same channel!

 

[Kim Lawless]

Must be real if it was on tv!


SPOOKY TRUTH: TV'S MOST HAUNTED CON EXPOSED TV - Mirror.co.uk-different program but still...same channel!

Can we keep to the debate please without sarcastic and childish comments? I'm really interested to hear from believers and non believers as we all have valid points of view.

We can all copy and paste from Google to support our arguement. Here's one I prepared earlier

Police Turn to Psychics to Solve Crimes. Digg_url = "http://www. (She, Her, Police, Had, Says)-News Monster , but you want evidence and like you say, unless you experience something yourself, them you have no evidence, so other peoples quotes mean nothing.

 

[Kim Lawless]

Sorry if what I wrote upset anybody. It would be easy (far too easy) to convince me of the existence of somebody with paranormal ability. I get upset when people who do not know me suggest that I or people like me will never be convinced of something no matter what evidence is presented. Maybe they mean that I would never be convinced because there IS NO EVIDENCE.

Asking me what would that take is like asking what it would take to convince me that a certain person can play a musical instrument. I could ask them to play the piano but if they could only play the violin then the demonstration would fail. So the following list is almost a list of possible paranormal abilities. It is nowhere near complete.

People to tell me what my passwords are.
Miracles of any sort being broadcast on the mass media.
James Randi's $1m being won.
Someone habitually publishing the winning numbers (of any sort) and claiming paranormal powers.
Many police forces to start successfully using psychics.
Basically it has to be done several times on command.
Plus heaps more.


Strange that if such abilities existed even in one person that none of these statements happen.

Edit - I forgot to add one more - Casinos start banning psychics.

You seem to be focusing on 'fortune telling' when paranormal and psychic ability or experiences are far reaching.

 

[jenny mosley]

Hiya

I lived with 2 Ghost's in my last house for 4yrs, One was an old man and the other was a little strange, he was a big thing with no facial features. I was alone most of those years hubby was working nights:Scared: If i told you the whole story you would think i'd gone BONKERS.

Funny though.. I was in no rush to move, our house had a cold yet calming feel to it, it was a real old house with high ceilings and big rooms. I wished i had never moved.

I also have strange experiences, I have predicted accidents several times and seen many things that are un-explained. I thought that i was suffering with over active mind, hubby and i saw the same thing one night when we was woken in the night by our strange guest.

jenx